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Old 10-23-2007   #1
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Smile Hi, I'm new here!

Interestingly, I have found my way here the long way actually. It started with my dogs, really. I feed my dogs raw, for the very same reasons that people eat raw food and with their raw diets, I blend up vegetables and greens for them. After realizing that it's kind of hard to find good greens, I went in search of possibly getting a hydroponic system so that I can keep a steady supply of greens both for me and my dogs.

During all my searching, I happened upon many sites that lead me to books and other things related to raw eating. I was intrigued, because I know the benefits of raw feeding with my dogs and I also just feel as though this is the right thing to do for my body. I have a horrible digestive system, lots of gas, some bloating, frequent constipation, you know, not feeling like I have as much energy as I should, feeling sluggish and older than I should at 45. So, the more I read and learn, the more I want to add more and more raw foods.

I am not going to make any kind of statement that I'm going whatever % raw, I just want to start and go from there. One of the books that I got was Green for Life and I was very excited about "green smoothies." Since I know that I am severly lacking in greens, this seemed like a great way to add them. It also seems like it may lead me more into the raw way of life. I really do think going all or almost raw is the way to go, but I must be realistic and take baby steps.

Anyway, I am looking forward to learning from you all, so be forewarned, you may see many many questions from me in the future!
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Old 10-24-2007   #2
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It's probably since you are in your 40's that you have so much common sense!

My dogs went all raw before I did too (but because I knew it was right for me first and so couldn't live with myself forcing them to eat what I knew was garbage since they depend on me). I feed my dog raw meat mostly. My vet expert and guide told me that they needed 90% raw meat and bones and the other 10% fruits, veggies etc. had to be liquified as their digestive systems are still just like wolves so they have a hard time with raw carbos that haven't been broken down whereas they are designed to break down meat (even old bones buried in the backyard for weeks - yuck!). My little maltese that I adopted who is 16 years old was almost dead and would barely eat before starting raw food and now she eats just like a little wolf (a wolf with almost no teeth left that is) and has more than doubled her weight (thank goodness). I had to force feed her before going raw. My beagle always loved food, but nothing comes close to the sheer glee she has when eating her raw turkey or chicken legs. She's just in bliss. I go to Cosco and buy sirloin meat patties and feed them to the dogs often now. Fluffy just about jumps out of her skin to get it and both of them have one paw up the whole time begging politely for more.

It's great to have another raw dog owner on the site. I asked periodically if there is anyone else and rarely does anyone reply. I have come to really enjoy feeding them (although at first it was a little hard for me because I would never eat the animals I feed them) because of the incredible love they have for eating the food I give them.... the little carnivores! I get the feeling that they feel the same way about venison as I do about dates!

Well, welcome to the site. Baby steps is so smart. I asked my vet if I needed to incorporate raw slowly for the dogs like I had to for me and he said no - they do best just changing all at once. Bless the creatures. Not for me! It has taken me decades to get solid on this thing. Why do so many of us need to go slow?! One of the reasons I think is because our dogs can sleep all day when they are detoxing and we have to keep on working and doing! Another reasons is that dogs don't have peer pressure, family or keys to the car or their own money to buy treats or opposable thumbs to open a refrigerator. They also are easier. Give a dog a bone and they are just about handled. I had to spend an hour making a complex salad to satisfy the humans here. I also have to change that salad often or I would have a mutiny on my hands. That's probably the main reason that it's so easy to change dogs to raw - they can't talk so they can't complain!

So as a human being if you just exchange one "bad" food for one raw food every week or even every month you will have new habits ingrained easily and naturally and you will be able to clearly judge if the change is good for you or not and you will not have to go through any nasty detoxing that they always warn you about with going raw. It's really the way to go.

So, what kind of dogs do you have, how old are they, what do you feed them and how long have you been feeding them raw. Please tell their story.

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Why don't my replies post??? Hmmm, perhaps they are too long, since this posted! I'll try again!
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Nope, well, that's weird. I'm sorry Green Bunny, I had lots to say, but for some reason, my posts just aren't posting!! Only these short little things are......
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I found a new vet last week and my dog is now Raw, too! I'm so excited!!! Although my vet DID advise slowly introducing it in the event he gets the shits. He's adjusting wonderfully though and loves it. Another note, my vet said to avoid chicken because it's usually full of crap, too and should be the last choice of raw meat.

I'm only feeding my dog organic, no antibiotic no hormone meat that is GRASS FED because I want my dog to eat animals that are as humanely treated as possible (ethical reasons). I get his food at Whole Foods and Wild Oats as well as looking into some other places.
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Hey Kristen,

So, what about chicken that's raised without all the crap? That's the kind I use. I don't feed grassfed meats--only because I can't really find them without being sky high in price, but the meats I get are at least naturally raised without hormones or antibiotics. I'm still trying to find even better sources.

That's great to see more raw feeders--especially raw vegan raw feeders--since I know some vegetarians that just cannot allow raw meat into their homes, thus their poor dogs need to eat kibble. I think that's a shame.
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My vet said it's hard to find really clean chicken. They tend to grind up the whole thing and you end up getting very little actual meat/muscle. If you have a good reputable source, then that is probably fine.

I'm a vegan 100% and Raw between 85-100% depending on the week...but I'm big on being vegan. So, it was a lot of thought that went into taking my dog from a vegan diet to a raw meat diet. I loved having such a clean kitchen and not worrying about raw meat. But I want my dog healthy and happy foremost (or I wouldn't be a good vegan now would I?). I believe in feeding as nature intended and my dog would want meat. So.....I'm firm on finding sources that are as reputable as possible for having grass fed, free range animals. My dog is LOVING IT!!! OMG! It's amazing to see how great he's doing.

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Hey Pony - got every last word including your private message! You might have hit the back arrow which would not have made your new post come up. After you have hit the submit reply button hit the Forums button up top and it usually resets the whole thing so that you can see your post. If still nothing... You also can save your posts in word and then open a new browser, open the site and then see if your posts are there and re-post if it really did evaporate. I've had those kinds of frustrations before too.

What lucky doggies you have! I've been thinking how I haven't been giving mine enough liquified veggies and fruits to tell you the truth and I feed them too much dehydrated food. It's certainly better than kibble but I've been too lazy. I also hate dealing with raw meat so take the easy way out whenever possible I'm afraid. I used to get them raw meat patties from the pet store but realized that it wasn't organic and I could get sirloin steak patties from Cosco at half the price and my Maltese has never been happier. I still have to give them some of the other patties because it includes bones and I have to give my beagle her chicken bones.

Boogie gets chicken bones all the time. My very knowledgable into raw foods for dogs with a lot of experience and in-depth research vet says that dogs have the enzymes to break down bones in ways that humans would never guess possible. This might sound crazy, but I wonder how much your intense worry might have had to do with your dog's digestion going bonkers????? Dogs are so sensitive to those kinds of things I've noticed.

My vet also said that there have been studies where dogs have been fed raw vs. cooked and raw non-organic vs organic and there was a negligable difference in health whether or not the raw food was organic but a huge difference if the meat was cooked or not. Now, that doesn't take moral considerations into account at all. I used to buy all my dog's meat at Whole Foods and Wild Oats, but actually, it was so very expensive that I couldn't even think about buying them the choicest cuts, but not organic they get sirloin - and all sorts of other delicacies which makes them -- especially our picky little maltese -- deliriously happy (the beagle is happy to eat anything).

The freeze -dried stuff really is incredibly easy and such a no brainer that it's hard not to give them just that. One would never know that it's meat. But that should really not be what I feed them most of the time if I can help it - even if it's just because it's just not as yummy.

I am half Czech and half Hungarian so I understand those slavic meals filled with intense fat and meat! I made my mother the family recipe for peach dumplings with whole wheat flour and soy sour cream and no sugar and she liked it just as much as the dabetes, heart disease producing kind.

Oh, don't worry about the holidays. Don't worry about cheating. Don't worry about going fast or slow. Don't worry about any of it! You're already eating better than 99.999999999999999% of the planet!. All you have to do is add one live food a month into your diet and walla! you're there in no time. You already did most of it.

My husband of 18 years is a carnivore. My mother that I take care of is always asking for something made into parmigiana or some gravy or sweets. I'll never be living with raw foodists - although at this point I would say that each of their diet is now at least 50% raw just because if I make the food and they want some -- it's raw. Laziness can be an asset! I also really love my food and just being around my yummmmms, ooooohs and aaaaahs makes them want some. But when it comes down to it, if they never ate anything raw that wouldn't stop me. It's what's right for me so I eat it. They are grown ups and can make their own decisions. Actually - I take that back. My mother had diabetes for many decades and her feet were turning black and her eyesight was degenerating and when she came to live with me I said she could only live with me if she ate only what I allowed and didn't complain about it as I wasn't up to taking care of someone with no legs and who was blind. Within three months she was off her medications. So..... she does not get anything with processed sugar or refined fats or anything garbagy. I do not demand however that she go raw. That wasn't part of the agreement - although she does get a lot. On the other hand, my husband sees how good raw foods are for me and supports me eating them but has no desire to do the same and that is his right. It makes for temptations for me - but that's my problem not his considering that I am doing the thing that is so out of the societal norm not him.

Little by little you get used to raw more and more and before long the other stuff starts to taste like cardboard. You will feel crummy when you eat it and won't even want it and then when you do have it, you just go right back to raw. You will still be able to eat cooked to please the family if you want to, but after awhile it will feel silly to do that to yourself for that reason. It's really not a big deal. It's a dietary choice that's all. If eating raw makes you feel good you do it. You don't even have to tell your extended family that you made the decision. You can just say that you're in the mood for a salad or some fruit. They can't argue with that.

Well, I have to go now as the other half needs me for something.
There's more to say but it will have to wait until next time.

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