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Old 09-05-2007   #1
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Newbie Raw Girl

I've been 100% raw for about a month now, and don't seem to be losing any weight. I went raw for health reasons, but was honestly hoping to lose a significant amount of weight. I don't think it's healthy being overweight. I am 5'8 and weight 180lbs. The only things that I'm still eating which are even questionalbe are spices like garlic powder, and cold pressed olive oil. Are these things keeping me from losing weight, or do I just need to have more patience?

Keeping the faith,

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Old 09-12-2007   #2
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Hi Fairynose! What is your diet? Are you eating lots of veggies? Are you still eating good fats, like avacado, nuts, seeds, fish oils, etc...?
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Welcome fairynose!

I started raw 1.5 months ago. I haven't been 100% raw, but I have lost some weight. I make smoothies, have coconuts, avocados, nuts, more smoothies. How is your diet?

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Hi Fairynose (what a great name!)

I'm older and have been around raw foods a long time. I have a suggestion as a woman. Forget about your weight. I know, Iknow, I know, but you can't - you're an American woman! How can you?

What really looks good is health. If you are happy, flexible, strong and vibrant that is what is important... and that you will be eating raw no matter what weight your body wants to be. Raw foods act differently on each person in terms of weight. Raw foods eventually bring each individual to their ideal weight. If you feel that you really are unhealthfully overweight, then you might be one of those people that was starving to death eating a lot. When people like that go raw some times their bodies are so starving that they want lots of raw calories and hold on to them. It's like they are saying - wow! real food. More, more, more and store it and use every last gram! These people might even gain weight at first - but eventually will come to the ideal. But the ideal won't necessarily be the American ideal and that's the best thing that ever could happen to them. Being thin and sick or starving for nutrients is not healthy or attractive if seen through the eyes of sanity. My husband was a photographer in NYC for 30 years and some of the models were just sad. Some were on drugs, terribly sick and very unattractive, and they all had issues with the way they looked and were down on themselves. You might think you want the American ideal - but it really isn't all it's cracked up to be. Health is beauty and raw makes health. Skinny is not better. It's how you feel in your own body that counts. What is attractive is how you move, how you think, the vibe you exude, the energy you have. Raw foods will make you vibrant and super healthy. That's all that counts.

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Totally agree Greenbunny. I'm "skinny" and it's awful to deal with! You can bet that everytime I see my family someone is going to say at least once that I'm too skinny and I need to eat blah blah blah. As if eating pizza and snickers to add pounds is actually going to make me healthier. It's one of that hardest parts for me being raw but so worth it when I get to say, "yea I'm so-called skinny but I'm healthy and happy while you are sick in bed"

(true story by the way... my siblings are ill and in bed this week)

I even get it from professionals that I work with. I suppose in comparison to the average american... like you were saying in another post greenbunny...
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Isn't it just a hoot Snowbunny that your co-workers and family find it perfectly acceptable to deride you about being skinny but would be socially obscene if they said you were too fat! No one goes around telling someone that they weigh too much, but they think it's ok to tell someone that they weigh too little. It's none of their business. It comes from jealousy because they are unable to control their addictions and know that they do not fit the American ideal. It is from lack of self-esteem that they feel that they can attack the one who has achieved the ideal. Many years ago I worked for a woman that kept on saying that I was too skinny. One day she said it when the night before I had to measure myself for some clothes. I retorted, "strange that you say I'm too skinny, I measured myself last night and my measurements are 36, 26, 36. I thought that was the American ideal!" She never opened her mouth again about my weight. She never should have opened it in the first place if she didn't want me to say anything in response. If she weren't my boss I might have said something more caustic along the lines of "are you really sure that I'm too skinny or are others too fat?" but that would have been nasty for no reason. She also was the product of the American insanity with food and weight. She wished she was skinny because that is what American woman are supposed to be according to all the hype. So very silly. This is a real feminist issue for me. I think if women would start demanding their power by demanding their physical health, flexibility, stength and energy and saying poooo to anyone else's opinions we would come into our own. Woman as object, woman as only physically attractive or not, woman as body to use, woman as less than would be a thing of the past. We really owe it to ourselves to stand up to such depictions of us. I am not an object that you get to comment on! I am a complete being. My weight is incidental. I do not let others judge me that way. If they do, they get an earful. They also don't get to call me girl, sweetie or honey or any other demeaning names. They don't get to call me fat or skinny. They don't get to call me pretty or ugly. They don't even get to think it. If I feel that, I change the energy and move them into another sphere of thinking around me. I don't let them stay there. I am not an object and I am not only my body and my body doesn't like being judged by anyone - including me - so I don't do it.

This ends my feminist raw rant.

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I love it! (your post)

I totally agree that women and men also are not to be objectified. My husband said the other day "you're so skinny", not meaning it in a bad way, just that he's always been over weight and has always wished to be thin. But either way, in the past years that he was overweight I never once said "you're so fat" or "you have a big belly", knowing that it would hurt his feelings. I don't think people realize that there are people that actually want to GAIN weight but can't and that's just how their body it naturally. (And you better believe my hubby got an earful and hasn't said it since!)

Greenbunny, if it's not too complicated and you don't mind sharing, how are you getting people into a different "Sphere". Because this is something I serious battle with and effects my health. It puts those words in my mouth and I've even said to myself "you're too skinny" but i weigh only a little less than i have for years. It's a little stressful, especially since when people say things about what I do, I rarely take it personal, but for some reason with this I do. and I'll binge on eating a lot of nuts or the other day I ate 1/2 a block of cheese and a couple avocados and it makes me want to get fried food even though I don't want it!! I know it's cannot be healthy for so much fat and I certainly didn't feel good after eating that way... but I gained a few pounds!!

So any advise on dealing with family and friends on the weight issue would for sure be welcome!
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Snowbunny, you have come to the right place for this conversation. I'll talk your ear off on this subject because it is very near and important to me. As a matter of fact, I think that I will copy this converstation to the main board so others know there is some meaty chat going on here in the introduction section.

When I read your message the first thing that I thought of was an interview I once saw on the Dick Cavet show (very old show, don't even know if I spelled his name rigth). Well, Katherine Hepburn was his guest. She was an actress from back in the days when women were treated not much better than dirt when it came to equality and respect. Dick asked Katherine if in all her years at the studios if anyone ever approached her sexually, if anyone was inappropriate with her. This was a at a time when it was inconceivable that any woman wouldn't be approached that way as an actress and this actress was carrying on an affair with a married man - the perfect target. She looked at him like he had said the strangest thing and said in her fabulous Katherine Hepburn voice, simply and emphatically, No! and gave him such a look of dismissal that it still gives me goosebumps. It was like she was saying who would have even dared? Why would you ask such a question? I realized that she had such inner power, such strength, so much self-esteem and demanded such respect that no one would ever do such a thing with that woman. She exuded a prescence, a force, an energetic statement with her body, with her mind, with her words with her energy that said, watch it buster, don't try to pull anything with this woman! I ??m too good for that and you know I won ??t stand for it. She never had to say no, or don ??t do that. Who she was said it for her.

Then I started to think about Joan of Arc. Here was a very young country woman that lived in the dark ages. Talk about inequality! Women for the most part weren ??t even thought of as human. Absolutely no rights. Women were basically owned by the men and lived by very strict rules. Then here comes this woman that has enough strength, will, faith, conviction and prescence that she was able to wear men ??s clothing, lead armies and change the course of history. The men simply stopped swearing around her. They stopped drinking and spending time with prostitutes. Being around her demanded that they change. The force of her spirit was enough to break every conceivable stereotype of a woman and made everyone who came into contact with her feel an inner need to act differently. She was truly awe-some. This young woman made people stop in their tracks and go in new directions by the force of her conviction.

Another great example that is more accessible is the Dog Whisperer. Have you ever watched that show? It ??s a great show. This man Cesar Milan shows people how to move, think, intend and act as leaders and the dogs just get it and they instantly start to do whatever the owner wants. It ??s amazing. He shows them how to hold themselves and how to project confidence by example. He ??s loving and kind and to watch him is a gift. Within minutes the dogs are doing what he is thinking at them to do. He knows how to become the pack leader and so the dogs simply no longer disrespect him like they do their owners. He doesn ??t have to train the dogs. He trains the humans to demand the dog ??s respect. He doesn ??t use words. He uses his body and his mind to perform what look like miracles with the dogs and the humans.




If you train your mind and will and make them strong enough people won ??t be able to help acting towards you the way you expect and want them to. I ??m still often not at that level of accomplishment so on the way to that point where people just feel it I have to use the force of my intellect, mind and words. This helps me to get more solid. The mind forms the words, brings them into the world and changes others which then empowers the individual to further demand respect.

Many people have had the experience that when they eat raw they become more sensitive to other people ??s thoughts. I have always seemed be that way. I can feel/hear what people are thinking sometimes. If I see someone starting to put me in a box I can feel my will fighting them. I can feel my subconscious adjusting and diverting. I move, or speak or just give them a look with my eyes. What they feel coming from me often is enough to stop them in their tracks. Sometimes I just get up and walk away or I ??ll say something that will make them think of me in a different way. I will move them from body to though or to Spirit. I will distract them from what they started. I will connect with them subconsciously and communicate ?? don ??t do that or just get them to higher ground where I want to be.

If you are most of the way in the energetic demand for respect sometimes it will take just a hint. In your example of someone calling you too skinny, if the person is a reasonably smart and aware person, you might need to say something simple. For instance, ??Thank you so much for your concern about my health, but I feel very strong and healthy and love my body just the way it is. ?? If they continue, then it might escalate to, ??since I know that I am healthy you must be commenting on the appearance of my body and judging it. ?? Then I would pick some quality of the person that might be sensitive to them and use it saying, ??I wonder if you would be so bold as to comment on my appearance if you thought ?? ??. my hair too gray, or that my nose was too big, or my ears were funny, if I didn ??t have nice skin, if I had wrinkles or if I were fat etc. etc.? ?? It will be just enough to show them that they are being hurtful by forcing them to see the situation from the perspective of how they would feel in a similar circumstance. I ??ll give you an example. I stopped by a sweater vendor (who happened to be black) on the street in Manhattan. I bought a sweater and he said, ??Thank you sweetheart. ?? I said please don ??t call me sweatheart, only my husband is allowed to call me that, I don ??t even know you ??. He said something like, ??oh, I was just trying to be nice. ?? I explained to him that calling a woman sweatheart or dear was demeaning. It would be like me calling him ??boy ??. He got it instantly and apologized sincerely. I left him with the most thoughtful look one could imagine on the face of a street vendor. Now let ??s take it one step further. Still the person insists that being skinny isn ??t healthy or what how you choose to eat was wrong somehow and no matter how much diversion or energy or looks or what you have said, they still insist on harrassing you ??.. At that point I would then put all niceties away and say something like, ??You really should try eating raw for awhile, it might help you with the problems you are having with your brain function. ?? If they still don ??t get it keep on going ??. ??what you are saying is inappropriate and I will not stand for you saying such things to me any more. If you care to have me continue talking to you, please refrain from commenting on my physical body. ?? If they continue, turn your back and walk away. If it is at the work place you can tell them that you consider comments about your body to be harrassment and it must stop immediately. If it doesn ??t stop, report them and/or get a lawyer.

We as women need to stand up for ourselves. We allow the disrespect. We disrespect ourselves. If you feel healthy, happy and good about what you eat, your weight and your appearance why accept any one else ??s evaluation of you, especially people that haven ??t won your respect? Fend them off energetically, with your spirit, with your words, with body movements and with the help of others if you need it. If you want to eat nuts and avocados (as long as the nuts are soaked the fat in raw foods is actually very good for you and easily used by the body) why not eat them? And if you don ??t want to eat them and they don ??t agree with you or make you feel good ?? give me one logical reason why you would eat them. Eating fried chicken would be to me like shooting yourself in the foot because a family member told you to. Eating something bad for you because others want you to is no different than doing hard drugs because your friends are doing it. Only the mavericks go down in history. Katherine and Joan are great role models, especially within the sphere of our own inner fights as women. Katherine and Joan didn ??t have to fight off others because they didn ??t have to fight with themselves.

No matter what you weigh in this culture it just will never be good enough. There is no weight where everyone says you are just right. No matter what you weigh there will be folks that think it ??s too much or too little. That is a fact. Even if there were such a thing as the perfect weight, what does it say about you if you pick being even a perfect weight over feeling healthy? What message does that give to your body and your inner self? Is how you look more important than anything else, even your health? There is no one in this world that could convince me to eat fried chicken so they, on an inner level, know not to even try. There is no door open to them. If you close the door for others to fight you, they just won ??t, because they can ??t. If there is no room for them to convince you, they will have a tendency not to even try. The things you are truly solid on usually won ??t be questioned. The trick is getting yourself to that place of solidity. Sometimes fighting for something will make you more certain in your conviction.

This has become a ridiculously long post, but it was a ripe question and the fruit just fell almost of its own accord. Hope I was able to answer your question. It wasn't an easy one.

Greenbunny
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