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Old 12-05-2007   #15
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As far as I know Mike, you never claimed to be a breatharian, nor have you suggested to anyone directly that they start to force themselves to stop eating in order to gain to such an ability but you only hinted at what the interviewee said so I made no reference to you in my statements just to your belief of what the interviewee said. I am questioning why you or anyone else would believe such an interview. Whether you believe that we can evolve as a species or as individuals was not an issue for me at all. I trust that we can and will myself. My whole point is that one can believe that it is possible in theory without necessarily believing any one individual without demonstration.

Jasmuheen has made such claims as to her evolution and the people that believed her believed whole-heartedly in her and that they could do it. They, I'm sure, repeated to themselves over and over and over again that they could live on air like she said that they could and they still died of.... starvation. When you stop eating long enough and die the proper terminology would be “starve”. It is true that I get upset when people manipulate other people into such dangerous games for the benefit of themselves when they themselves cannot pass even the most simple logical tests as to the truth of their claims. If you cannot go for a prolonged period without eating yourself you have no right to be telling others to do so when it could end in tragedy as it has already for those two poor people that died. If you go around saying to people that anyone can do it they might just believe you if they have a feeble mind - when logically that statement makes absolutely no sense. There are many mentally and emotionally disabled people that would believe such a statement without even the slightest ability to be able to accomplish it even if it was a demonstrated reality by a few special individuals.

Many people believe that it is the problem of the poor sucker what happens to them if they are so stupid to believe tall tales. Con artists are like that. I believe that it is the responsiblity of the con artist when they make people believe them and the believers are hurt or destroyed. I do get very upset when people are duped by people like that. Perhaps you are right and it is righteous anger. I feel the same way about dictatorships, racism, anti-semitism and sexism as I do about con artists.

When I mentioned the term guru it was about one individual that is considered a spirtual guru in his Jain community because of his spiritual development that is assumed based on his breatharianism. I guess the others might consider themselves gurus of sorts. I don't know.

Why do you assume that becoming a breatharian can only be achieved over long periods? You say this because some woman that you don't even know really exists said it over the internet. I read an account many years ago of a woman who said that she became a breatharian after Spirit taught her some pranayama exercises and it happened over night. She lost no weight and just poof.... suddenly stopped eating. That's sounds much more plausible to me as plausibility goes.

If you are going to eventually just live on prana, would not your system slowly be attuned more and more to prana by meditation, or energetic transformation, regardless of what you are eating - until suddenly food is no longer needed? You see, until someone really proves that they can do this by simple means more than just words on the internet or in a book, you and I have no reason to believe that it needs to be done in any particular way. It might be possible, but why is the way that someone says you should do it to be taken seriously when there is no reason to believe that they have done it at all? I do truly believe that it is a possiblity as there are more things in heaven and earth, so forth and so on, a la Shakepeare, and I myself have experienced many miracles in my life and I would never say to you or anyone else what you should believe as possible – but I would caution anyone reading this to think logically and question a stranger’s motives and truthfullness.

So you say that I am an egoist obessessed with proof. OK. I'll grant you that. I do consider it to be a judgment on your part, but perhaps it is true - although obsessed is quite a strong word to use for someone you don’t know. I do honor my mind as well as my Spirit and like to think that I can have faith and intelligent discernment at the same time. I do have a very strong ego that runs my logical brain and since there is not one person that has actually gone through a simple demonstration in this country that what they claim is true I will caution others not to be ego-less - otherwise known as insane (insane people do not have strong ego structures and therefore do not have a strong enough sense of self to question illogic or recognize reality) and to please not to act on mere suggestions and STARVE themselves. If you stop eating because you think you can do this because someone has said so on the internet, I strongly caution you to THINK!!!! Anyone can claim anything. They do it all the time.

I have been interested in this subject for a very long time and have been following cases over the years. There have been countless claims and countless proofs that they were simply lying. I do want someone to come forth and show me that they can actually do this and that THEY are not the egotist or con artist wanting some weird gratification from being thought to be able to do something miraculous or a way to make money off of gullible people. This person I would then want to meet, to converse with, to study with, to learn from.

Mike, I must sadly disagree with you – I believe that we are very different pages. When you say that we can’t just sit around and wait for something to happen, it sounds like you are also condoning the gradually eating less and less until you die or become a breatharian approach.

Just like the person in the interview, I am someone you don't know at all. Since it was an interview written by someone and not even a direct statement by an individual it might have been an exercise in writing and fiction. I at least have been posting here a while in the same vain, so you at least know that I am a person. I will give you a completely different and just as plausible way to go about approaching living off energy instead of food. Tell yourself that you can, over and over and over again in constant affirmation, meditate and/or pray, bring energy into your body on a daily basis, if youa believe it will help look at the sun or run around barefoot like the sun guy says to do and then wait for a strong indication that you are ready and then expect that when you no longer need food you you will no longer be hungry - like other people have claimed happened to them. If you stop being hungry then stop eating and if you lose weight, get sick or weak or start to get dizzy or hungry or anyone tells you that you are looking sickly, then assume that you were not really ready and start again. This way, makes more sense. You can change your belief systems, you can bring in more prana into your body, you can transform yourself with thought instead of cutting yourself off from the common sustenance. Until someone actually demonstrates that they are truly able to live without food this approach makes more sense if it's really about mind over matter This way you take no chances with your life and limb in the process. You might waste a lot of time and energy if it doesn’t work…. but it won’t kill you if you’re wrong. Unless of course you believe that you are never wrong and insist on going ahead against all indications that it isn't working. That would be another hurdle of course. No amount of cautioning will help a person that believes that they are never wrong.

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